Sorry for the bad news. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)! late, now sold). Something went wrong. NCOs will progress into the minefield of German militaria in the next couple of decades. These are all machine made and are not classified as "Nihonto". Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. Serial number placement. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. Also many Chinese military swords are confused with Japanese swords. or old wood sticks. Anyway, if ok, can I post some pictures to get your expert opinion on my purchase? (NOTE: Some swords may have two mekugi - one near the guard and the other near the end of the hilt. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. this rare early solid copper handled sword, serial number 631 is all matching and it is also one of the very few known to exist that still has the original leather tassel hanger (saru-te). the mounts can be interesting with hidden, spring loaded, pop out guards. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. They are unfortunately getting pretty good now. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. 100 % newly made. Etchings. Swords of this type were made in all sizes, from tanto to katana or tachi. But as I have been at this for a while, I'm seeing how much better the reproductions are getting, and I realize that every bit of help they can get by reading posts like this, helps them make their fakes even better. Identification Never use force to remove the handle.) We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. WW II era swords will show prominent grain (hada). There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. NCO copper tsuka (handle) that is actually painted on top of the handle, I have not seen that before. Japanese WWII swords are amongst the most copied/faked of all swords and prospective buyers should beware. There are a bunch more issues with the sword, so if anyone wants to test their detective skills this is a good opportunity. original copper coloured paint and is in very good shape. The reverse is also not true - if a sword is not signed does not mean it is machine made. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The saya/scabbard number should be on the top of the scabbard, where it's covered when the sword is sheathed. As the tang rusts and ages, these become progressively smoother and less distinct. is just ridiculous.They HAVE genuine ones to copy. Make the gap between the arsenal marks less! can be. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. As above100% fakejust look at the fit on the saya throatBut yes they are getting betterBought a sword at a recent big militaria fair,actually two swordsleft them with the sellers instead of carrying them around when I came to pick them up was approached by a very polite Chinese fella who offered to buy them at a premium off meHe didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. The sad part is someone probably will buy one of them too. Sponsored. Blade length approximately 27 1/2 inches . Most swords do not have matching . I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. These take that shape of various dragon figures, Japanese peasants, fish etc. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. Many will have some type of engraving, usually floral, on the blade. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. Have a 3rd pattern nco Tokyo First Army Arsenal inspection mark "To" stamping serial number 141882 and wanted to know a possible year dating on that number range cheers Phil Quote Name: Stu W Posted March 7, 2014 Hi Phil, The overall length is approximately 38 inches in the scabbard. Most swords do not . I'm reposting the pictures of the fake pattern 5 that Stegel provided in the wooden handled topic just to have them all together. Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. Bruce has politely written exactly what my reply would have been. But it would really help to see that. 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Press J to jump to the feed. 2- no screw is used as per T-95 usual fashion on the hilt but a special screw assembly located on the pommel and holed for the sword knot. The NMB says so!" - all carved and The 26 3/8 inch nagasa (cutting edge section) blade is in very Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army During the WW II era, many machine made blades Cut-out version brass tsuba. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. Short fuller. There are old sword blades which have no visible grain (muji hada); however, the presence of grain does Bone tanto and swords (see below) fall into this group. Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? I'll continue to post where I find different examples. The Type 95 NCO sword is similar in appearance to officers Type 94 and Type 98 Shin-gunt military swords, but is made of lower quality materials, most notably its hilt, which is made from metal and the scabbard was similar to that of the Type 32 with a prominent drag. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. Contact one of them for assistance. . This sword I shared with Steve (this thread) is a very good knowledge test - the goofy belt hanger (Bruce references) made me discount the sword immediately, but on closer look (my opinion) the stamps are a bit better than the other, cheaper fakes out there on the market. In my searches, I've compiled a list of things that (usually Chinese) reproductions get wrong. It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. This is due to the method Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. Something changed in the last 6 months. This looks good from a distance, but up close the details reveal the fake. This was a tough one! If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted? These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's. No habaki. Posted October 27, 2017 Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future ! NOTE: The following suggestions for determining whether a Japanese sword is old or new (WW II era or later) are only general guides. Always check. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people. Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. I ask you to help in determining the authenticity of the sword. Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one, unless your post is really relevant and adds to the topic.. Does the blade show a true temper line (hamon)? Sincerely, Eugene Quote vajo Gold Tier 5.8k Location:Germany / Bavaria Name: Chris Sch. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. This product is available for international shipping. by differential tempering of the blade. The Mechanix of Auto, Aviation, Militarypert near anything I feel relates to mechanical things, places, events or whatever I happen to like. Celebrating the Past, Present and Future of Navy Cryptology, Official site for National Guard marksmanship training & competitions. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. Matching serial numbers 31123. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. In very good condition, an early WW2 1935M (Type 95) Japanese Maybe he is just one of the many merchants capitalising on a class of people with more money than they know what to do with. antique blades were left unsigned or have had their signatures (mei) lost over time. Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. Also, they definitely like those brass tsukas, don't they! And even if your intentions are completely legitimate, the "bad guys" are still out there and could read this post. Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. Dan. Steves last post real or copy? Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. Please quote item reference S72 (0690). in the hilt. Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. Writing about whatever interests me, and maybe you. The saya The prices go higher and higher and they will copy better and better to take part on this. In Germany the only plattform for weapons is egun. It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. / scabbard has quite a bit of its original war time browning and Military Japanese 95 Type Army Sword Samurai Katana Brass Handle ~Serial Number. There are some very knowledgeable and experienced folk here and you can trust their deduction. The type and color of the rust is used to help date and to authenticate the blade. All NCO swords were numbered. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. sword clubs in many cities. Man just crazy all the fakes and how great this sight is about telling how to spot them .many thanks for posting to help us out. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. Let's sum up. Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. Serial number 116501 with matching saya. The machine-made blade is 26 inches long. Stick to reliable sources more Han ever if you want to avoid getting burnt ! 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The members here in the board who collect these swords are taking a very good investment for the future. Original Item: Only One Available. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. When in doubt, check the blade with a magnet. This one really annoys me. A new sword was pointed out to me recently which is very well made and in fact at first glance addresses a lot of the issues with obvious fakes. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. no interest to Japanese sword collectors. Close up and of kissaki and bohi termination is a must. Something went wrong. Identifying the Best Training, Tools, and Tactics for the Armed Civilian! Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. I think it's always worth spending the extra time to study these "high end fakes/copies" because they are getting better. For definitions of terms, check the visual glossary page. I completely agree with Bill here. Exploring History with the National Archives Special Media Division. As originally produced the saber included a leather finger loop inside of the guard, which was riveted to the basket guard. The overall swords are getting better. Your link has been automatically embedded. Seppa intergrated in the fuchi is a no go here. Short fuller. Real swords only had flat-head screws. 2023 GriffinMilitaria.com. I avoided buying into German WW2 helmets because of the fakes out there and now I've entered into another minefield. Display as a link instead, Used. on a single criteria. Any so called "ninja sword" is pure fantasy. An excellent example of a World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword that was obviously carried in the field of combat operations. Please see our. Usually the copies are considerably lower, making it very obvious. Most handmade Even should they be able to reproduce the sword exactly, it is not just that one should be looking at, but a series of common features in patina that are universal to genuine, old NCO. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. There are also numerous reproduction and fake Japanese swords on It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. The sword sheathes and draws very well, and the the market. NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout WW2. Older swords will have more rusted tangs, ranging from brown to smooth deep black rust for the oldest swords. There are stories that the small papers between the handle wrap (ito) and I'm not going to go into details. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Tokyo First Arsenal blade numbers. Overall the fit and finish is definitely far above a replica, which can be seen in the photos. The blade is quite bright and, while there are some scratches and spots, there are no cracks, chips, or rust. Everything to know Japanese 95 nco swordPlease visit our Ebay store and subscribe to our channel https://www.ebay.com/str/thediamondmonkey42You will find in . The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. in WW II military mounts. The detail that troubles me is the saya suspension ring being in the right place. I very much doubt that it would matter, but even someone with a repro would be able to use that information to create a fake. View cart for details. If the swords are getting this good I think that's not a good idea. This is a very scarce and important very early production Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Sword. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. Free shipping for many products! of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. Save japanese type 95 sword to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. See each listing for international shipping options and costs. I really would have liked better pictures of the fuchi in light and the serial numbers, but I am very confident this is a well made reproduction. The process of tsuka-maki (handle wrapping) is quite complicated. I searched into the rest of the Japanese items on the site. Given the large jump in value that NCO swords have experienced in the last few years and given how relatively easy it is to copy something that is cast and milled without a lot of hand work involved, I think it is only a matter of time, and not much time at that, before the fakes are indistinguishable from the real thing. Clear editor. is signed, that it must be hand made. The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. He didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! A real one would also be fine, but is too expensive for me. There are numerous varieties of items made in the 20th Century as were signed simply as a way of giving more prestige to the sword even though it was machine made. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. I recently took the plunge and made my first Japanese sword purchase. By The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. well it would have fooled me, how about you other gunto guys? Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . That's why I addressed here. The Phillips screw was only patented in 1932, and hadn't caught on in most of the world by WWII. The scabbard exhibits about 70% of its original olive brown. The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. Modern replicas may look like antique swords; be it a tachi, katana, wakizashi or tanto. swords. - it will reduce its value by at least 50 percent!! However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location.
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