Just wish it would get more respect. It has very similar recoil to the 7mm-08, and slightly less than the .270 Winchester. Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed. 14. Thanks. Just want to make sure Im reading it correctly. With the recoil data, I opted for 6.5 creedmoor as one my wife could be able to use comfortably to protect her animals from predators. [15], Four of Nosler's Cartridges the .26 Nosler, .28 Nosler, .30 Nosler, and the .33 Nosler are based on the same .300 Remington Ultra Magnum[6] parent case. Several four-shot groups were fired. Jim, Both make this little mountain gun 1000 yard capable. In 2014 Nosler introduced the flat-shooting .26 Nosler, following it up in 2015 with the .28 Nosler (7mm) that was based on the .26 case but necked accordingly. The 6.5 PRC generates 16.27 ft-lbs of energy at a recoil velocity of 11.19 fps. Personally, I hate muzzle brakes and dont use them at all anymore. Greatly appreciate not only your brain of knowledge but more so, your heart of sharing. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. So, in the spirit of consistency, who needs a .33 Nosler? Unlike the Barnes TSX and TTSX, the Nosler E-Tip has a smooth profile without any grooves cut into the bullet shank. It is capable of firing bullets weighing up to 160 grains at velocities of up to 3300 feet per second. Respective similarities between the .333 O.K.H. Where does the recoil of a 12 gauge shotgun fit in? The 33 Nosler is SAAMI approved and will be supported with ammunition and components from Nosler beginning Q1 of 2017. If you want to go between larger game and deer, the .308 Winchester might have a bit more versatility without blasting your smaller game to pieces. The .270 Winchesters recoil produces 17.64 ft-lbs of energy and 11.64 fps of recoil velocity. This is Nosler's third cartridge following its predecessors the .26 Nosler which was released in 2014 and the .28 Nosler which was released in 2015. The knobs are comparatively compact, unobtrusive and are locked to prevent accidental movement in the field. It features a beltless case, functions in standard length actions, is powder efficient, accurate and offers impressive velocities. [18], According to a recent Nosler publication, the .30 Nosler surpasses the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum, headspaces off of the shoulder like a .300 Remington Ultra Magnum and fits the same standard length action of a 300 Winchester Magnum.[19]. That the .33 Nosler fits into a standard .30-06 length action (maximum cartridge length being within 3.340 inches) makes it feasible to be chambered in many rifles and actions. [16], The .30 Nosler was released in January 2016. Nosler plans to use a 1:8.5" (216mm) twist barrel for their M48 rifles chambered in .27 Nosler. Your posts and YT are so accessible that someone like me who has never hunted wants to hunt even more. Nosler produces six different hunting cartridges. Some people look at the recoil energy of a 50BMG and think they will be KILLED by 83.17 ft-lbs of free recoil energy; however, the 50BMG is a physically heavy gun (usually over 30 lbs), so the recoil moves slowly (also because of the muzzle brake). His third shot struck in the vitals, and within a few feet the moose stumbled and went down for good. I am interested in buying your kids Ruger American in 6.5 Creedmoor with the scope. if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_26',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); The formula for determining the free recoil energy of a firearm is (Rifle Weight in Pounds/64.34) *(Recoil Velocity in FPS^2). Just recognize that its going to push you a loteven though it wont be painful. Your email address will not be published. Multiple sources that Ive read say it is around 30 ft/lbs. Thanks! Grizzly, caribou. In a well-designed rifle and stock, the .30-06 recoil is acceptable for most adult shooters, but in many older rifles with poorly-designed stocks, the recoil can feel too powerful. He has managed multiple gun ranges, and has hunted around the world. The bulk you just have to resize and check length before you load . The Nosler M48 Long Range weighs right at 9 pounds scoped and I was able to shoot 20+ rounds per range session without discomfort. Now it all makes sense. For elk-sized game, it is recommended that you have at least 1,500 ft-lbs of energy, a Hornady HITS score of at least 900, and at least 1,900 fps of velocity. 8.6 blackout (new!) The 257 Roberts , 7 x 57mm Spanish , 7.5 x 55mm Swiss . Because of its recoil, a .28 Nosler should generally only be shot out of heavier rifles, coupled with a brake or suppressor. So, its no surprise that the velocity is higher earlier as well. Ill explain. When fired from a cartridge with ballistics similar to the .33 Nosler, low-drag .338 bullets often better many smaller magnums. When you have to hike a mile to close 200 yds, will you? Nosler Pro Staff; Sponsored Shooters; Project 48; Employment; Nosler Dealers. Double checked my info and I can confirm its correct. . Feeding, firing and case extraction were flawless. I did not see the Hornady HITS Ranking in the table. 1) Using a bullet stabilization calculator shows that a standard 1 in 12 twist 308 barrel will only give marginal stability to the long 168gr bullets. After shooting a lot of different rifles and cartridges, I have found that recoil velocity number accurately predicts how much pain youll feel, and the recoil energy predicts how much youll get rocked back and thrown off your target in the scope. Nosler is also offering rifles chambered in the .33 Nosler in its Liberty and Heritage lines, with the first rifle being the M48 Western. If big animals are on the menu, particularly at ranges over 300 yards, and youre honest about your ability to handle the recoil, bigger is better. I was wondering why I never see anyone do videos on one of the greatest calibers of all time.. the 8 x57 Mauser. The .308 Marlin Express (Article by Chuck Hawks) Hornady's .30 T/C (Article by Chuck Hawks) The .308 Winchester (7.62mm NATO) (Article by Chuck Hawks) The Popular .30-06 Springfield (Article by Chuck Hawks) The .30R Blaser (Article by Chuck Hawks) The .300 RCM (Ruger Compact Magnum) (Article by Chuck Hawks) The .300 Rem. What is the felt recoil (recoil velocity) of a reduced recoil Hornady 125 grain SST (Custom Lite) load? It was introduced in 2015, and is intended to compete with the Winchester . Brakes are loud and some folks cant stand them but theres little question that they work. The 28 Nosler is quite a step up from the 7mag, being it can handle the 195 bergers it it's in a different class as far as LRH. Without the 8 mm Mauser there would be no 30-06 or 308 or any other cartridges that have that head size. You mean like this? The .224 Valkyrie is a similar cartridge, but the two are not interchangeable. This can reduce the recoil between 20% and 50% depending on the size and effectiveness of the brake. My own personal journey had settled me on the 7mm Rem. [8], When released, the .26 Nosler was claimed to be the most powerful commercial 6.5mm cartridge in the world. Bottles & 12-oz. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder dimension yet than that of the .30 Nosler. So it would apply to deer or elk. Introduced in 2016, the .30 Nosler is a SAAMI approved and standardized cartridge. The .308 Winchester can go between medium and large game, since it does not have the full power of the .28 Nosler. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. The long-time bullet maker introduced its own line of cartridges in 2014, starting with the 26 Nosler. Mag. It is available with a one-turn Zero Stop or a two-turn without the Zero Stop. For example; if you have a .300 Win Mag, you would select a 7.62/.308 muzzle device. Shilen barrels are stress relieved and threaded either 1/2x28 or 5/8x24 in lengths of 22 or 24 inches . However, you will be able to take that large game over a variety of distances. This makes it more versatile within its effective ranges while leaving the long distance shooting to the .28 Nolser. 567. In general, most large-bodied and experienced adult shooters can comfortably shoot a rifle with a recoil velocity of under 13.5 fps without developing a flinch. Energy. As mentioned, though, there are other good options that are similarly situated for light recoil hunting capabilities. Furthermore, the muzzle energy of a .300 WSM Winchester Short Magnum round averages out to 3580 ft-lb, while a .308 Winchester round averages out to about 2620 ft-lb. Thanks. I watched through a binocular as the guides first shot struck in shallow water behind him, while his second shot caught the moose too far back and had little effect. [9] The .26 Nosler, when loaded with 8.4g (129gr) AccuBond Long Range very-low-drag bullets, retains as much velocity at 370m (400yd) as the .260 Remington produces at the muzzle. I am looking at expanding my rifle collection and this info is so helpful. It has significantly more recoil energy than the .308 Winchester. At 500 yards, the .28 Nosler continues to fly 668 ft/s faster than the .300 Winchester. Great data! The bore was then cleaned after every three shots for the next 15 shots. The article states and at last 1,900 fps of velocity recommended for deer, same as elk? but this was a crazy amount of work even without adding more calibers to it. At 300 yards, that advantage breaks into four digits at 1,020 ft-lbs more of a punch for the .28 Nosler. Size Comparison. The elk were definitely impressed by the .33 Nosler. I have gone in and fixed the error. The crosshairs are illuminated for low-light shooting, while the click finger adjustments are 14 MOA. I didnt feel the recoil and my ears barely registered the significant muzzle blast. Hope yall enjoy it! Hi Jim, O.K.H. As hunting cartridges, both of these calibers are popular in bolt action rifles. Short Belted was based on the .300 H&H Magnum case but shortened, blown out and necked to accept .333-inch bullets and had an overall length that allowed it to function in .30-06 length actions but gave notably greater velocities than the .333 O.K.H. The first to be introduced was .26 Nosler, followed by .28 Nosler, .30 Nosler, .33 Nosler, .22 Nosler, and .27 Nosler. The .308 Winchester has a bullet diameter of .308", a case length of 2.015", and an overall length of 2.8". [21][22], has a reputation for being a "barrel burner", "SAAMI New Cartridge & Chamber Introduction 22 Nosler", Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, "SAAMI New Cartridge and Chamber Acceptance Announcement: 26 Nosler", "26 Nosler ballistic data comparison charts", "ON TARGET: 30 Nosler is not based on .404 Jeffery", "Nosler Announces the 30 Nosler Cartridge: The Outdoor Wire", "Nosler unveils world's most powerful 6.5mm commercial cartridge: The 26 Nosler", "CARTRIDGE AND CHAMBER DRAWING 27 NOSLER", "Nosler Unveils World's Most Powerful 7Mm Commercial Cartridge", "Nosler Introduces Their Most Powerful Cartridge Yet The 33 Nosler", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nosler_cartridges&oldid=1117019051, 265gr (17.2g) Nosler AccuBond LongRange, This page was last edited on 19 October 2022, at 14:23. Nosler M48 Long-Range Carbon Bolt 33 Nosler 26 3+1 Carbon Fiber MCS Elite Midnight Camo Stock Sniper $ OUT OF STOCK. I would assume about 168 is the average load for a 308. The most common method that shooters choose is to simply add a muzzle brake. The range was 358 yards and there was no wind to speak ofI dialed for the vertical drop and held the duplex reticle of the Leupold VX-6 HD low on his shoulder. 300 PRC. The success of the 26 Nosler led to an expansion in the lineup and now we have the 28 Nosler (7mm), 30 Nosler (.30 caliber), and the .33 Nosler (.338) to choose from. The Model 48 and .33 Nosler proved an accurate combination, with several three-shot groups hovering under .5-inch. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. The eyepiece is fast focus, a feature I am especially fond of. Christensen Arms. With premium hunting bullets, they will completely penetrate a large Alaskan brown bear, moose and other large game, including Cape buffalo (where legal and as demonstrated by my old friend, the late Bill Jordan). as a person that cant have more the 15 foot lbs recoil going into my shoulder ( medical thing ) i find this very helpfull. It comes close to .338 RUM performance but fits into standard (.30-06) length rifle actions. While the .308 Winchester still has enough of a punch to take large game within 300 yards, its efficacy starts to drop off after that, while the .28 Nosler is up for anything up to 500 yards and beyond. The 30 Nosler is a 7.62mm (.308 inch) caliber, rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. The .28 Nosler shares the same overall cartridge length of 84.8mm (3.340in) as the .26 Nosler which allows it to be chambered in standard-length action. Thanks for checking. In January 2017 Nosler introduced the .22 Nosler. 60 years later, and 28 Nosler created in 2014, around 70-74 years after Roy's. I just pulled up some factory loads for the three and just wanted to show the difference in 70 years of development. In 1962 Roy Weatherby announced the .340 Weatherby Magnum for his Mark V rifle that was based on the full-length .300 H&H Magnum case blown out with a double-radius shoulder and necked to accept .338-inch bullets. I rewrote it this way for my own clarity: Doug. look forward to black powder list one day. The Christensen Arms . Because of its recoil, a .28 Nosler should generally only be shot out of heavier rifles, coupled with a brake or suppressor. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. It generates 21.34 ft-lbs of energy at 12.55 fps. The table seems to be messed up. The recoil VELOCITY number of the .50 BMG is similar to a .308. His chestnut face had the trademark forehead hump of a big, mature bull. I have taken a considerable number of big game with .338s, including elk, moose, black bear, caribou, deer, pronghorn antelope, grizzly and Alaskan brown bears and have also used them in long-range target work at distances out to 2,000 yards. I want this to be perfect. I havent changed my mind that many hunters are best-served by mild-recoiling cartridges that they shoot wellespecially those who arent willing to spend the necessary range time to master larger cartridges. We use cookies to make your experience better. This was helpful and interesting! Add a bit of stock bulk and weight to soak up some of that recoil. That's 275 fps faster than the 338 Win Mag using the same length action and 25 fps faster than the 338 Lapua at the muzzle while burning 18% less powder. Thank you Jim for your awesome videos and all the hard work in compiling this table! I stand by everything I wrote in that article, with the caveat that powerful cartridges are useful in certain roles if the hunter can learn to shoot them well. 1,900fps is a minimum speed needed for reliably expanding most bullet types. The .28 Nosler and the .308 are both big game cartridges, but they have very different effective ranges. You have the 300 Weatherby as having less recoil than the 300 Win mag. As you read through the table, remember you can pick a much heavier-hitting cartridge if youll be using a muzzle device. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder length dimension than that of the .30 Nosler. I see sportsmans guide pulled down the plagiarized article from their site. The 338 Norma Mag has 12 gr more case h20 capacity over the 33 Nosler in a case length only .032" longer, the beefier 338 Norma case when improved adds an additional 10 gr and drives the 325 gr Chinchaga bullets at 2725 fps, 300 gr Berger OTM at 2860 fps, 285 gr ELD Match at 3050 fps, and the 265 gr Barnes LRX at 3100 fps. Its a round that I was never really interested in until now because it seems to be the only ammo I can find these days. The .28 Nosler is a more select cartridge, and while it isnt difficult to find, it wont be quite as readily available. Thanks for all you contribute to the shooting sports. They chose .333-inch bullets because .338-inch .33 Winchester bullets were too light and gave poor performance on big game when pushed to O.K.H. Suppose a giant, heavy semi-truck is parked in front of you with your shoulder on the bumper. The problem with muzzle brakes is that they increase the volume of the gunshot significantly. He is a well-known entrepreneur, having started many successful online brands, and lives in St George, Utah. Without a muzzle brake, the .33 is no fun at all to shoot from the bench or prone, though its manageable in field positions and youd likely never notice the recoil with a big bull in your crosshairs. He was on the ground within five seconds of the first shot and never took a step. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder dimension yet than that of the .30 Nosler. It is commonly called a guns kick. More recoil is created when more powerful powder loads and lighter-weight firearms are used. Thats the way we should feel about humanely taking deer. Nosler. We reserve the right to correct pricing errors. I would support you. A broad butt and comb help spread the recoil over a greater area of your shoulder and face for added comfort. You earned it for running down this rabbit hole in such beautiful detail. I love learning about these types of topics your videos and presented data are very well done! For those of you who are new to firearms, lets discuss the basics of what recoil is before we look at the data. It produces 28.27 ft-lbs of recoil energy at a velocity of 14.72 fps. ( and yes i mean my life, medical thing ) if you ever do one on black powder in inlines, or even cartridges, like the 45-70, 44-40 etc that would be great. We updated a few numbers in the chart but forgot to update the text. It pushed a 200- grain bullet around 2,200 fps. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Why are the numbers in the HOW MUCH RECOIL IS TOO MUCH RECOIL? area different than the corresponding calibers on the chart? Become a Nosler Dealer; International Dealers; Rebating the rim to 13.6mm (0.534in) simplifies the production of rifle bolts since the rims of Holland & Holland-style belted magnums, such as the 7mm Remington Magnum and .300 Winchester Magnum, are the same diameter. I am no expert but I would say Im at least more experienced than the average bear. Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart; Nosler Unprimed Brass 243 Win (50) Fantastic information thank you for your work. [5][9], The high velocity of the .26 Nosler cartridge has raised concerns about excessive barrel wear, potentially wearing down barrels at a rate faster than that of the similar .264 Winchester Magnum, which itself has a reputation for being a "barrel burner". Most people consider the .270 a moderate-recoiling cartridge that can push the shooter off target during the shot, but is not enough to cause pain in the average adult shooter. Rifle Recoil Table. I listened to your Youtube explanation of why but I think its a little bit of I like apples and dont like your oranges. Kinda talk. Recoil impacts your comfort, your ability to fire a second shot quickly, and especially your ability to shoot the gun accurately. According to Nosler's handloading manual, 71.5 grains of H4831 powder should nudge that bullet from a 24-inch barrel at 2,780 fps. The CDS (Custom Dial System) can be custom tailored at no cost to correspond with the precise ballistics of a given load to compensate for bullet drop. The .33 Nosler, the largest of the group, gives hunters significantly-increased velocities over the .338 Win. Introduced in 2016 (production release 2017), the .33 Nosler . The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. The new movement (some say fad) began with the standard, reach out and touch someone cartridges such as the .308, .30-06, 7mm Remington Magnum, and .300 Winchester Magnum. SJB358":oa2xyivx said: This is easy, the 280! At 500 yards, the .28 Nosler maintains an advantage of 992 ft-lbs. You see, I once wrote a piece for this very website titled "Who Needs a Magnum?" Do you keep current data on updates to the recoil table? I watch your videos, get stoked about a cool products, like the 2020 waypoint, then research it for a lefty an Nope!, not available. Still, that doesnt mean that powerful cartridges such as the .33 Nosler dont offer real advantages on larger game animals. That's good enough for 4,291 ft-lbs energy at the muzzle and 1,500 at 780 yards downrange. Thanks for any help. I really like your YouTube channel, This got me started, but I found your formula confusing because of the way it is written out. It should be other way around. I do NOT recommend muzzle brakes for youth shooters because the loudness scares them more than the recoileven with hearing protection on. All metal parts are bead blasted then coated with CEROKOTE. Just because I am curious for the <5% that might take an animal greater than 500 yards, did you happen to extrapolate FPS and ft. lbs of energy out to 1,000 yards? Thank you for all your work Jim. So back to our where our story began, on that sage flat in Utah. For deer-sized game, it is recommended that you have at least 1,000 ft-lbs of energy, a Hornady HITS formula ranking of at least 500, and at least 1,900 fps of velocity. 308 Norma Magnum; 308 Winchester; 325 Winchester Short Magnum; 33 Nosler; 338 Lapua Magnum; 338 Remington Ultra Magnum; 338 Winchester Magnum; 338-06 A-Square; . The shoulder is set back slightly compared to the 5.56 cartridge to prevent accidentally chambering a 5.56 cartridge in a .22 Nosler rifle. Offered in twenty chamberings, the rifle features a sporter carbon fiber composite gunstock and a stainless steel radial muzzle brake built around a light target contour Christensen Arms carbon fiber wrapped barrel. Is it affordable? I tried Chrome and Firefox. This is a really epic resource! Sorry, I love Hornady ammo, but marketing is still marketing. There are other good options as well, but 6.5 Creedmoor has such good bullet availability (during normal times) and rifles to select from that its a no brainer. I find that a good recoil pad also makes a significant difference in recoil. Additionally, the .50 BMG is almost always shot with a massive muzzle brake which can reduce the recoil by 50%. The .33 Nosler is the latest; modern in every respect, it fully delivers (even exceeds) its advertised ballistics of pushing a 225-grain Nosler AccuBond bullet 3,025 fps. [20], The .33 Nosler was released in 2017 with Nosler supplying ammunition and components. ?..Mark in Cypress, TX. One could even make the case that heading into dangerous game country to hunt non-dangerous game warrants a big gun with big bullets in-case of an unintentional encounter. These are with no muzzle brake nor suppressor. When selecting a caliber for one of our muzzle devices, the correct choice is based on your cartridge's actual bullet diameter. Both cartridges kick fairly hard, but the 300 win mag has more velocity behind it. A .308 Winchester zeroed at 200 yards will drop 8.5 by 300 yards, and 26 by 400 yards. The .28 Nosler is a belted magnum cartridge that uses a small rifle primer. That amount of recoil is low enough that even youth shooters have no problem shooting the cartridge. This is because the bullet for that cartridge has a .308" diameter. Upon skinning it, the third bullet, a Nosler 250-grain Partition, was found under the skin on the offside and showed perfect expansion and had destroyed the lungs. They work on grizzlies at close range but can reach out to put down a wounded moose at long range.. The dimension at that point on the .28 Nosler case is 0.051mm (0.002in) larger, and that reduces its body taper by just a tad. I watched a video of another hunter in camp who shot a bull with a 225-grain Accubond and it dropped so fast it looked like it had been struck by lightning. Its 3.340-inch overall length permits its use in standard-length actions. I created it because other recoil databases I found online are dated and do not have the depth of research to truly compare cartridges apples-to-apples. This also shortens bolt travel and usually results in a lighter rifle. A .28 Nosler zeroed at 300 yards will drop 23.57 by 500 yards, 70.71 by 700 yards, and 200.78 by 1,000 yards. 30 Nosler Vs 300 Win Mag . Efficiency appears to be a hallmark of the .33 Nosler, as it is said to beat the velocity of the .338 Lapua Magnum while burning 18 percent less powder. AccuBond (.550 BC/.281 SD) at 3025 fps. Their most noted included the .333 O.K.H. For the next 20 rounds, it was cleaned after every five shots. The .33 Nosler would be an absolute hammer on large African plains game including eland, zebra, wildebeest and kudu. Thank you for all the work! When set on 2x, this makes a great scope for brush or timber hunting, as it offers a wide field of view. The higher magnification settings make it suitable for taking game in open country where longer shots can be expected. The .33 Nosler is already SAAMI approved and has a maximum average pressure of 65,000 psi. I have no idea where you sourced all of this information but, this is very impressive and extremely helpful. So, what does that mean in the real world? Great Channel , Great Content , Great Nation . This efficient new cartridge rivals the velocity and energy of the proven .338 Lapua Magnum while using significantly less powder.