"He was in the shadow of his father and maybe I got more attention, but he was awfully sharp. Beloved husband of the late Joan McKee (nee Buss). Review. Cremation services have been . cemeteries found within kilometers of your location will be saved to your photo volunteer list. THE CANADIAN PRESS/HO - Lone Eagle Entertainment, Sam Lim Ballard fronted Stafford Smythe most of the $2.3 million purchase price. Their best season in more than a decade has been the current one, during which Mr. Ballard was gravely ill and others assumed control. Harold attended Upper Canada College as a boarding student until dropping out in his third year in 1919. Mr. McDermott was a pet project of Mr. Ballard's. No animated GIFs, photos with additional graphics (borders, embellishments. Please complete the captcha to let us know you are a real person. Burke Mortuary - Newton-Conover Things changed when Mr. Ballard became president and governor of the Maple Leafs in 1972. But unbeknownst to the crooner, the elder McDermott had slipped and fallen right before the show and was taken to the hospital for stitches. Ballard was a very hands-on owner who quickly became known for being irascible and cantankerous. Ballard to Ottawa writer Earl McRae in the 1980s. The executors of Ballard's will were Steve Stavro, Don Giffin and Don Crump. He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame (1977) and the Canadian Football Hall of Fame (1987). '', Mr. Ballard never let high position inhibit his tongue or his behavior. The Marlies won the Memorial Cup in 1955their first championship in 26 yearsand repeated the feat the following season. Search above to list available cemeteries. In September 1981, after Imlach had another heart attack during training camp, Ballard told the media that Imlach's poor health meant that "he's through as general manager". Remove advertising from a memorial by sponsoring it for just $5. At the same time, Hockey Canada and the NHL Players Association had negotiated an agreement to hold an eight-game tournament between Canadian professional hockey players and the top players from the Soviet Union. A celebration of life is planned for the Granite Club when pandemic restrictions are lifted. The Tiger-Cats made the playoffs every year under Ballard's ownership and played in four Grey Cup championship games, losing in 1980, 1984 and 1985 before finally winning the Cup in 1986. Years later, he told friends that someone eventually stole it from him. Veteran. As a reward for his role in the purchase, Ballard was named executive vice president of Maple Leaf Gardens, alternate governor of the Maple Leafs and chairman of the team's hockey committee. Steve Stavro, who would succeed Ballard as Leafs owner 30 years later, was co-owner of the Toronto City team. Leave your condolences to the family on this memorial page or send flowers to show you care. (His father had made the team's skates.) All Work and All Play: A Life in the Outrageous Sport, p. 124, John Wiley and Sons Canada Ltd., Mississauga, ON, 2005. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Harold Ballard (10477)? Thank you for fulfilling this photo request. Born to Fred and Merleen Steele, David grew up in Pennsylvania and New Mexico. He won Stanley Cups in 1962, 1963, 1964 and 1967, all as part-owner. Imlach was never officially fired, but when he tried to return to his office in November, he found that his parking spot at Maple Leaf Gardens had been reassigned and Gerry McNamara had been made acting general manager. I think there was a genuineness (to her caring) about his welfare, Stellick said. After losing the battle to gain control of Maple Leaf Gardens, Mr. Ballard got out of the concert promotion business. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. There, the Nationals lost 21 in overtime to a team from the U.S.the first loss for a Canadian team at the world championships. Photos larger than 8Mb will be reduced. When an outraged Bassett complained, Ballard demanded $3,500 for use of the lights. By the time Yolanda walked into Harolds life in 1983, she had done jail time for perjury and been married once to a lawyer, then divorced. It's true that few men other than Mr. Ballard could have placed a relative novice such as Mr. McDermott on a national tour with the world's premier Celtic group, the Chieftains. Continuing with this request will add an alert to the cemetery page and any new volunteers will have the opportunity to fulfill your request. Use the links under See more to quickly search for other people with the same last name in the same cemetery, city, county, etc. "They loved each other deeply," Mr. Cohl says. rights reserved. When Hockey Night in Canadas president, Ted Hough, balked at Ballard's demands just before a broadcast, Ballard grabbed a fireman's ax and threatened to cut the TV cable unless Hough agreed to pay. During his tenure as owner of the Tiger-Cats, Ballard for a short time had the Tiger-Cats logo painted at centre ice of Maple Leaf Gardens in place of the blue Maple Leaf. That triggered a mutiny among some of the team's top players, who resigned from the squad in November. Echovita is an archive of public obituaries and death notices to keep you informed about people who have passed away in your. When his cantankerous father returned from prison, Mr. Ballard was demoted, though he stayed on the board and kept his large chunk of common stock in the company. Are you sure that you want to remove this flower? ", (Indeed, Mr. Ballard was an enthusiastic chaser of properties to bring into Toronto. April 24, 1930 - February 27, 2023. All Ballard had once called Sittler "the son I never had", but relations between the two took a turn for the worse with Sittler's increasing prominence in the NHLPA. Canada, Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current. Caught between a great inheritance in the sports world and an artistic career, he chose to lay bricks and paint. Slapshots: The Best and Worst of 100 Years of Hockey. On the night of the singer's first major concert at the Royal Alexandra Theatre in Toronto, the plan was to put the spotlight on Mr. McDermott's father in the audience during the show. 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Bill Ballard died of cancer on March 13 at the age of 67. At the time, NHL teams relied on the reserve clause to keep players from jumping to other teams in the league, but the clause could not prevent players from leaving the NHL to join a different league. The storied arena fell into disrepair during Ballard's tenure. But he did more than work for his father. He was not only angry at how the WHA had decimated his roster earlier in the decade, but also wasn't enamored at the prospect of reduced television revenue. Edit a memorial you manage or suggest changes to the memorial manager. He was convicted of fraud and sent to Millhaven Institution. Bill was born in Saint John on July 25th, 1951, son of the late Harold and Florence (nee Keir) Ballard. If you do not yet have a Torstar account, you can create one now (it is free), Copyright owned or licensed by Toronto Star Newspapers Limited. "Any time we were in trouble, and we were in trouble far more often than I'd like to remember, Harold was there for us.". Two days later, Ballard asked Neilson to return, but with a paper bag over his head so as to conceal his identity. I was afraid. 1910 United States Federal Census. Hurt, 91, of Salem, passed away on Friday, November 25, 2016. Box 716 Maiden, NC 28650. 0 cemeteries found in Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada. "Leafs' owner Ballard spends $1.3 million to buy the Tiger-Cats," Rick Matsumoto. In 1972, Harold Ballard's idiosyncratic bookkeeping and whimsical ideas on what money was his and what money belonged to Maple Leaf Gardens got him into severe trouble. [7], When the NHL finally did take in four WHA teams after the 197879 season, Ballard refused to support the deal. New York, U.S., State Census, 1905. Review. [8], At the time Ballard took over, the Leafs' captain was Dave Keon, who had been with the team since 1960. It is with heavy hearts that the family of William Joseph "Bill" Ballard announce his passing, after a brief illness, at the Saint John Regional Hospital on Sunday, July 10th, 2022. [25] In 1986, Ballard publicly called the Tiger Cats a bunch of overpaid losers. Mr. Ballard disputed the accusation, telling her at one point that if he ever did assault her, "there won't be enough left to put in a hot dog.". Nevertheless, they still qualified for the playoffs under the playoff format in use at the time. For the 1928 Winter Olympics in St. Moritz, Switzerland, Ballard was appointed assistant manager of the Varsity Grads team that won the hockey gold medal. In the West, CFL teams had come under significant pressure resulting from the introduction of WHA franchises in the four largest Western markets, therefore Western Football Conference teams were generally supportive of Ballard's efforts to become a CFL owner. Oops, something didn't work. An email has been sent to the person who requested the photo informing them that you have fulfilled their request, There is an open photo request for this memorial. Along with Parent, Rick Ley, Jim Harrison, Brad Selwood, and Guy Trottier all left the Leafs for the WHA before the 197273 season, as did some minor league prospects in the Leafs' system as well as the team's minor league coach, Marcel Pronovost. His death set off a feeding frenzy that had already been begun over the iconic properties he controlled: the Toronto Maple Leafs and the building the team played in, Maple Leaf Gardens. The email does not appear to be a valid email address. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Harold Ballard (10477)? She was led to the Lord by her grandfather at the age of 10 and dedicated her life to Christ at . Besides, what the hell position can a queen play? The foothold was Maple Leaf Gardens, which was Toronto's lone venue for large winter events. Anyone can read what you share. When the Fighting Saints folded, Keon received an offer from the soon-to-be dynasty New York Islanders, but Ballard still owned Keon's NHL rights and effectively blocked that deal, forcing Keon to move to the relatively stable New England Whalers. Please ensure you have given Find a Grave permission to access your location in your browser settings. McKee, Harold Alexander (Reverend) Passed away peacefully at Henley House, St. Catharines, on Monday February 18, 2019 at the age of 86. "Peace is wonderful, but ", Frank Orr, Cole, Stephen. He also was the owner of the Hamilton Tiger Cats of the Canadian Football League (1978-89), which won the 1986 Grey Cup. Keon was forced to move to the WHA's Minnesota Fighting Saints. Obituaries - for Lincolnton Lincoln County, Cherryville, Stanley, Denver, Maiden . Ballard was a sports enthusiast from a young age and began running hockey teams in Toronto in the early 1930s. To do that, Ballard bought 24% of son Harold Jr.'s shares for $25 million. At the time he was studying law, while she worked as a title searcher for a Toronto firm. As an aide to the Canadian Olympic hockey team in St. Moritz, Switzerland, in 1928, he carried the national flag in the opening ceremonies. To order copies of In Ballard's last 13 seasons, they only finished above fourth once and won only two playoff series. The biggest loss was goaltender Bernie Parent, a superstar in the making, who was offered a WHA contract with financial terms far beyond what Ballard was prepared to match. Please enter your email address and we will send you an email with a reset password code. You can customize the cemeteries you volunteer for by selecting or deselecting below. At the conclusion of the series, Ballard sent a bill to Hockey Canada for use of the building. At age 68, Ballard won a battle with Stafford's family and bought his shares, giving him a 60 percent controlling interest in the Gardens. In 1985-86, they finished with a .356 winning percentage, the fourth-worst record in the league and fourth worst in franchise history. Luckily, the singer's slightly wounded father made to his seat in time for his spotlight moment. I know the family and friends were totally aghast and Oh my god, shes a gold digger but he figured out she could take his s--- and she, as time evolved, became his caregiver.. Harold George Ballard - age 68 of Kodak passed away Sunday, December 3, 2017. In 1955, she met Bill MacMillan, the son of a noted magistrate. Sunday, January 8, 2023 . Ballard became a fan of speed skating and would attend skating events and hockey games, helping to promote the Ballard skates. August 17, 2016 Left to cherish her memory is her loving husband Harold of 65 years and her son Gregory (Sharon); grandchildren, Nicole (Stephen), Eric. ''I thought we were both going to get arrested. Find the obituary of Rev. "Is that an act?" Ballard then partnered with long-time rival Alan Eagleson and Eagleson's client Bobby Orr to get the television rights to the series, which would be used to benefit Hockey Canada and the players' union. Other notable incidents and anecdotes during Ballard's time as majority owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs and Maple Leaf Gardens include:[1]. Hockey Hall of Fame Team Owner. On October 16, 2016, as part of the Toronto Maple Leafs centennial celebrations, Keon was . Commented former Leafs' captain, Ballard had special gold medals made up for the Canadian team, after they were expelled from the, At the same postgame show, Ballard proceeded to get into an on-air argument with Dick Beddoes, which involved Beddoes saying Ballard would be better suited to guessing weights at the, For his 85th birthday party, Ballard invited Hunt, who was then with the, Biographical information and career statistics from, This page was last edited on 22 February 2023, at 17:05. CPI had an exclusive arrangement with the arena, which left most rival promoters out in the cold. Ballard was an owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs of the National Hockey League (NHL) as well as their home arena, Maple Leaf Gardens. and spoke Slovakian as a first language. Please reset your password. You need a Find a Grave account to continue. The Leafs, historically one of hockey's best franchises, gradually became one of its worst teams through the 1980's. Mr. McDermott, for one, remembers him differently. "He fought for the underdog," Mr. McDermott says. However, he insisted on receiving compensation for Keon, and set the price so high that potential suitors shied away, in effect preventing Keon from joining another NHL team. Concert Productions International would become a hugely profitable enterprise and a game-changing innovator in full-service touring in North America. While it provided a clearer picture for fans, it caused a very sharp glare that distracted players. [26], In the 1970s, Ballard had also bankrolled a group, headed by Hiram Walker Distillers vice-president Lorne Duguid, intent on bringing Major League Baseball to Toronto. In 1934, Ballard became manager of the West Toronto Nationals OHA junior team and hired Leaf captain Hap Day as coach. In regard to spotlights, Mr. Ballard didn't seek them himself. This became clear when the arena was dim for the first game. Ballard remained as de facto general manager even when Imlach recovered. Becoming a Find a Grave member is fast, easy and FREE. Mr. Finkelstein's True North record label and artist management company was taking off, and so he withdrew from the concert promotion game. Along with his wife Noreen (nee Meahan . But Ballard did not take the unproven WHA seriously as a competitor and so was outbid on the services of several players in the Leafs organization. As owner of the Tiger Cats, Ballard claimed to be losing a million dollars a year. HAROLD BALLARD Years 1972-1990 Leafs record 596-736-207 Stanley Cups The skinny Sole ownership under Ballard proved disastrous both on and off the ice. Follow Brad Wheeler on Twitter: @BWheelerglobeOpens in a new window. We encourage your input. She could dine with the Queen of England at night and the next morning be busting it with any kind of maintenance person, Gord Stellick recalled. If you notice a problem with the translation, please send a message to [emailprotected] and include a link to the page and details about the problem. Bassett, who had by this time become chairman of the board, received the support of the board of directors in an 87 vote to fire Smythe and Ballard. On the personal side, Mr. Ballard was known as a lover of good friends and high times. cemeteries found within miles of your location will be saved to your photo volunteer list. The Stellicks and Howard Levitt, a family friend and lawyer, contend Yolanda deserved the settlement. About a month later, Ballard and two friends from the Yacht club were hurled from a boat into a frigid Lake Ontario. Harold Ballard in California We found 17 records for Harold Ballard in North Highlands, Inglewood and 14 other cities in California. He told friends that on a visit to the Soviet Union he had put a Maple Leaf sticker on Lenin's tomb. Harold Douglas Buchholz passed away on October 12, 2021 at his home on Heart Mountain. He often fought with league authorities, his employees, the news media, the fans and his children, often chuckling as he moved from battle to battle. They would not post a winning record again in Ballard's lifetime, going a franchise-record 13 consecutive seasons without a winning record. As it turns out, he didn't win the brawl for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Over the years, he continued to support his alma mater's Golden Hawks, and in 2009 he entered Laurier's Hall of Fame. He was born on February 28, 1945, in Astoria, Oregon. Failed to report flower. "Maple Leaf forever? Many years ago, a young Bill Ballard and his brother, Harold Ballard Jr., presented their father with a pair of piranhas in an aquarium for Christmas. Dave "Tiger" Williams who played with the Leafs from 1973 to 1980 had a close relationship with Ballard. With Ballard's support, Imlach moved to dismantle the roster and undermine Sittler's influence, despite many analysts viewing the team as having a promising future. When Day was busy with the Leafs and unavailable for games, Ballard would step behind the bench as acting coach. However, hostility to Ballard's overture from the Toronto Argonauts (then owned by Ballard's former partner John Bassett) ensured it never went anywhere. Ballard's opposition to European players was so virulent that a Leafs scout used Ballard's time in jail to sign Brje Salming, one of the NHL's first great European players. She was indeed because I personally witnessed it Harolds companion always.. Obituary. ''Harold is going aboard and get that gold.''. Make a life-giving gesture [33] The purchase was the subject of a securities commission review and a lawsuit from Ballard's son Bill, but the deal stood and Stavro and his partners in MLG Ventures became the new owner of the Leafs and Maple Leaf Gardens. "He would eat enough fried calamari for four people, and then order something else.". Shelvie "Jeannie" Workman Ballard, 85, of Newton, passed away on Friday, January 6, 2023 at Carolina Caring in Newton. The McDonald trade sent the Leafs into a downward spiral. Until he acquired control of the team and Maple Leaf Gardens in 1972, Mr. Ballard was little known outside hockey circles. After Day became coach of the Leafs in 1940, he recommended Ballard to the Leaf organization to run the Toronto Marlboros, the senior and junior teams owned by the Leafs. Ballard famously had his hand and footprints etched onto a concrete slab and placed it at centre ice of Maple Leaf Gardens, which deteriorated the quality of the Gardens ice. Year should not be greater than current year. . Echovita is an archive of public obituaries and death notices to keep you. Priestley, the narrator and director of "Offside: the Harold Ballard Story, wants Canadians to draw their own conclusions on the irascible sports magnate who also owned the Hamilton Tiger-Cats. To view a photo in more detail or edit captions for photos you added, click the photo to open the photo viewer. "[4], He also expanded the number of concerts, entertainment acts, and conventions booked in the building. We are constantly trying to improve our data and make the search for obituaries as easy as possible. Davidson had served in the Leafs organization for almost 40 years in various capacities. . We will review the memorials and decide if they should be merged. At the time, Mr. Finkelstein lived in apartment building directly behind Maple Leaf Gardens, as did musicians Murray McLauchlan and Gordon Lightfoot. Harold Ballard, 86, Feisty Owner Of Toronto Maple Leafs, Is Dead, https://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/12/obituaries/harold-ballard-86-feisty-owner-of-toronto-maple-leafs-is-dead.html. This memorial has been copied to your clipboard. [29], Despite his reputation, Ballard was well known for his charitable activities, and even leased out MLG for many functions. In fact, for a short while, he stood in for him. To make room for more seats, Ballard removed a large portrait of Queen Elizabeth II from the Gardens. '', Mr. Ballard once called John Ziegler, the president of the National Hockey League, a ''know-nothing shrimp'' and described his own daughter as a ''reptile.''. Weve both been to jail.. Harold Quinten Ingram, 78, of Hickory, passed away peacefully at home with his family by his side on Thursday . His acquisition of the Leafs, one of Canada's most revered properties, came shortly before Mr. Ballard served a year in jail on a fraud conviction for diverting money from the Gardens' accounts to his own. Star Newspapers Limited and/or its licensors. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. There is 1 volunteer for this cemetery. This account already exists, but the email address still needs to be confirmed. "Silent runner or not, an incident in 1989 put Mr. Ballard in the public arena, where the light was not always flattering. In August, just weeks before the series began, Ballard was convicted on 47 of the charges. For example, when the roof leaked, he did little more than order plastic sheets to catch the rainwater. Try again later. He is survived by three children: William, Harold Jr. and Mary. Try again later. From the Toronto Star, December 3, 1969: FUNERAL SERVICES FOR MRS. DOROTHY BALLARD Funeral services will be Friday morning at 11am at Kingsway-Lambton United Church for Mrs. Dorothy Ballard, wife of Maple Leaf Hockey Club vice president Harold Ballard. ). Box 154, Tampico, IL 61283 www.tampicohistoricalsociety.com tampicohistoricalsociety@gmail.com President Joan Johnson, 815-438-7581 or garyjoan@thewisp.net Family History Coordinator, Denise McLoughlin 815-718-3617. He moved to the United States to be with his future wife in 2002. Please enter your email and password to sign in. He wasn't just talk. Molson also agreed to sell its stake in Maple Leaf Gardens Ltd. to Stavro. Harold Ballard Jr., son of the late owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs, is very self-deprecating, but that doesn't mean he isn't astute or insightful. Resend Activation Email. Though Imlach was gone, Sittler's relationship with the Leafs worsened again in the 198182 season and he was traded that year to the Philadelphia Flyers. Stock shares were blood in the water; lawsuits were fiercely launched. During the hockey off-season in 1961, Ballard became founding president of the four-team Eastern Canada Professional Soccer League, which operated in Toronto, Hamilton, and Montreal. Harold would pretend to be angry, then make sure she had a ticket. HAROLD BALLARD OBITUARY Harold G. Ballard, born November 20, 1932 in New Orleans and a resident of the Central Community since 1960, died Sunday July 1, 2018. However, many players were unwilling to sign with Toronto in any event because of Ballard's reputation. presentation-ready copies of Toronto Star content for distribution Under Day and Ballard, the Nationals won the Memorial Cup at the end of the 193536 season. BEVERLEY JOYCE BALLA February 17, 1929 ! In the mid-1970s the NHL, facing competition from the WHA, passed a rule that players' last names must be on the backs of their jerseys. Early in their relationship, the pair travelled to the Cayman Islands and met dignitaries including Queen Elizabeth II and former prime minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau, as well as performers such as opera star Luciano Pavarotti. He was also the owner of the Hamilton Tiger-Cats of the Canadian Football League (CFL) for 10 years from 1978 to 1988, winning a Grey Cup championship in 1986. The elder Ballard, shrewd and unshockable, approved of the slaughter, seeing it as allegorical. This relationship is not possible based on lifespan dates. Harold Vance Delk Jr., age 78, a resident of Bertrand, died Wednesday, Feb. 22, 2023, at the Charleston Manor. While touring Europe, the Nationals were involved in several fights, both on the ice and off. Ballard used the opportunity to name himself acting general manager and hold talks with Sittler, and the two agreed that Sittler would return to the team for the 198081 season. Growing up in Jordan, he went to St John's Catholic School for 8 years and graduated from Jordan High School in 1952. When the group's manager objected, Mr. Ballard told him the fans would tear down the building with the Beatles in it if they didn't do two shows. However, by the time the Toros played their first game at the Gardens, Ballard had been released from prison. However, the Maple Leafs under Ballard were one of the league's most financially successful teams. Family and friends may call at the Amos Carvelli Funeral Home, 201 Edison Street, Nutter Fort on Sunday from 4:00 pm to 6:00 pm, where funeral services will be held on Monday, March 6, 2023 at 11:00 am. In 1965, he sold tickets for two Beatles concerts on the same day, although the contract called for only one. At the time, the CFL still consisted of two autonomous conferences. When he relented, Yolanda knowing he had also spent time behind bars, for fraud in 1972 reportedly broke the ice by saying: Weve got something in common. "He had an amazing ability to put away bowls and bowls of food," Mr. Finkelstein recounts. Mom reaches under the front seat and she pulls out this gun, said MacMillan. That year, they finished with a .325 winning percentage, fourth-worst in franchise history, and were only one point up on the Minnesota North Stars for the league's worst record. This account has been disabled. After Ballard took control during the 197172 season, one of the first challenges he faced was the creation of the World Hockey Association (WHA) as a competitor to the NHL. At the end of the 197172 season, the Leafs only had three players signed to contracts for the next season: Rick Kehoe and veterans Jacques Plante and Bobby Baun. In 1957, Ballard moved up to the Maple Leafs as a member of a committee chaired by Stafford Smythe which oversaw hockey operations after Conn Smythe stepped down as general manager and Hap Day was pushed out of the Leafs organization. She was a canning manager and was a. When the Leafs traded Sittler's close friend Lanny McDonald to the moribund Colorado Rockies on December 29, 1979, a member of the Leafs anonymously told the Toronto Star that Leafs management would "do anything to get at Sittler"[12] and was bent on undermining the captain's influence on the team. He was a lifetime resident of Gary and attended Wirt High School. Bill Ballard's relationship with his father was undeniably stormy, but there was a bond.